which have included the V70 volvo is that I test drive them, get back in my 80,000 mile A4 and think I prefer the A4. The fuel economy & lack of Estate hurts but in GBP pounds I'd be looking at adding about 15K on top of the trade in value of the A4. 15K in any currency buys a lot of fuel & maybe the answer is get the wife to upsize her car. I'm just considering my options at the moment. I decide the Passat is the sensible choice and then I'll 'hear' an S4 rumble by and think keep the A4, save up and get what you really want! But thanks for the reply!